The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. KeninDC

    KeninDC Hazy Cosmic Jive

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    This Altamont discussion has got me thinking about '69 Stones and '69 Dead. While '72 Stones and '72 Dead is quite often acknowledged as peak Stones and peak Dead, there is something about the heavy, muscular sound of both bands in '69 that just cannot be beaten or replicated. Both bands reflected the tenor of the times as a weighty, apocalyptic sound infused their music, especially live. Both were playing primal rock & roll at the top of their game. Marimbas were replaced by Keith's attacking guitar on "Under My Thumb," and despite Mick saying it was, it was not "all right."

     
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  2. Dennis0675

    Dennis0675 Regional leader in sales

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    I put on “singles 1968-1971” just a bit ago myself.
     
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  3. KeninDC

    KeninDC Hazy Cosmic Jive

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    Sweet Stones nectar. I gotta apologize for monopolizing this thread today. I'm a real sucker for any "death of the 60s" discussion and, of course, the Rolling Stones.

    Might cleanse my palate later with some 5/4/77 Grateful Dead with its throwback (73/74-ish) "Playing in the Band."
     
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  4. Frosst

    Frosst Vinyl-obsessive kiddo

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    Right now I'm listening to Rock The Cradle, Egypt 1978. A really sweet Row Jimmy among other highlights.
     
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  5. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Evil Twin

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    Per Scully, cops wanted nothing to do with any of it: "there are no police to be found anywhere! They are smart, they stayed away. They're off drinking in some redneck bar somwhere saying 'Let those f***ing Hell's Angels kill the hippies, the **** do we care?"

    Meredith was hassled by some Angels and then went back to his car to get his gun; maybe if it was cops he wouldn't have, though cops in the 60s were nothing like the paramilitary tactical forces we have these days.

    It seems much less suicidal for some guy at a hippie concert in the 60s, with 1oo,ooo anti-establishment types swarming all over to say 'I'm gonna get my piece and teach these pigs a lesson' versus nowadays (or even the 80s which is when the police became much more militarized.)
    Not only that, but evidently there was a steep hill all around and the stage was at the bottom. Highly questionable decision to move forward, but the Stones had to have the finale to their concert film (and the GD took the brunt of the blame for the Angels.)
     
  6. dtuck90

    dtuck90 Forum Resident

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    The Shakedown Street is the highlight of this set
     
  7. budwhite

    budwhite Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.

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    Egypt has the best and most unique Shakedown jam
     
  8. acetboy

    acetboy Forum Resident

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    I haven’t heard the Egypt shows in a long time, I should pull them out.
     
  9. Frosst

    Frosst Vinyl-obsessive kiddo

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    In my opinion the highlight of RTC was the Fire On The Mountain jam
     
  10. Mr. Rain

    Mr. Rain Forum Resident

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    The famous San Francisco Be-In? Hell's Angels were security.
    Those free Dead shows in Golden Gate Park? Hell's Angels were security.
    It may seem like an insane decision but it had worked before. Altamont was the result of a cumulation of bad decisions, but also just not anticipating the different environment at Altamont...not the same group of Angels and not the same peaceful attitude that had prevailed at Golden Gate events.
    The Dead & Garcia continued to play at Hell's Angels events in later years, which apparently went off very well. You don't hear of anyone getting stomped at 11/23/70 or 3/25/72 or 9/5/73...although I would imagine the audiences there surrounded by burly bikers were super-well-behaved, unlike some of the manically zonked crowd members at Altamont.

    Then you sure don't want to read Steve Parish's book!
     
  11. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

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    I thought Lesh and Kreutzmann's books were good for what they were, but I got the feeling from them that Lesh wishes he'd been a classical composer/conductor and Kreutzmann wishes he'd been Keith Moon or John Bonham, and neither of them takes you inside what it felt like to be creating those epic improvs in the 60's or 70's. I've only glanced at Parish's book.
     
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  12. uzn007

    uzn007 Pack Rat

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    Yeah, the Ollin Arageed -> Fire is the highlight by a long shot. The "Shakedown" is interesting in that Jerry gets completely lost during the first solo section and just stretches it out indefinitely... I don't know about "best ever". It's unique, and interesting, but pretty mellow compared the the versions I think of as best ever.
     
  13. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    Agree with all of this.
     
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  14. mcrichley

    mcrichley Forum Resident

    6/30/85 is peak Shakedown
     
  15. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    That's probably tops in my book. 10/25/79 New Haven is up there (available with tape speed issues on Road Trips 1.1). 4/2/89 Pittsburgh is probably the best I personally caught live. Although there are some good ones with Keith, my favorite Shakedowns tend to be from the Brent era.
     
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  16. notesofachord

    notesofachord Get Ya Hands Outta Your Pockets

    Run, Rudolph, Run!!

    Grateful Dead
    Dave’s Picks Volume 22
    Felt Forum, NYC, 12/7/71
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  17. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    Run skeleton doofuses, run!!!
     
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  18. uzn007

    uzn007 Pack Rat

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    Shakedown:

    4-6-82
    12-31-84
    6-30-85
    4-10-87
    4-5-91
    9-22-91

    The two from 1984 and 1985 are often cited as the best ever, and I wouldn't argue against either one.
     
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  19. trd

    trd Forum Resident

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    We discussed the Shakedown some months back, it’s unique in that they don’t go to the major key in the second jam. Only version like that I am aware of
     
  20. notesofachord

    notesofachord Get Ya Hands Outta Your Pockets

    12/7/71

    Wow, Cumberland Blues is white hot and Brokedown Palace is delightful. This is a great first set.

    Bill the Drummer and Keith the Wonderkid are especially on.

    Update: Hot Casey Jones too!
     
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  21. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    I’ll have to check out those ‘87 and ‘91 versions, I don’t think I’ve heard them except possibly 9/22/91. 12/31/84 has never quite done it for me as much as it seems tomfor others, but certainly good, and 4/6/82 is another favorite of mine. 11/21/85 has rough vocals but a great jam.
     
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  22. mcrichley

    mcrichley Forum Resident

    9/7/85 has a much different vibe from 6/30 but is also a top version.
     
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  23. Oliver

    Oliver Bourbon Infused

    Never thought I'd say this but the past week I've been listening to '77 tours in general and I'm REALLY digging it. Just so different from my comfort zone of early Dead. I think I get it now.
    The analogy I'd use is ...Beer! You drink a highly rated stout and love it. You then immediately drink a highly rated IPA and you think yuck! After awhile you get used to the change in taste and then you love your IPA. :laugh:
     
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  24. sberger

    sberger Grumpy(but grateful) geezer

  25. Oliver

    Oliver Bourbon Infused

    Now playing Dicks Picks Vol 3 5/22/77. Nice show.
     

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