The first shoegaze record

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by gottenbold, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. gottenbold

    gottenbold Forum Resident Thread Starter

    West Yorkshire
    I was listening to Secret Shine in bed last night and thinking how much I love the shoegaze guitar sound.

    I'm wondering what people would consider to be the very first shoegaze record.

    Is it possible to say?
  2. antonkk

    antonkk Senior Member

    Would love to know as well!
  3. Mr. Siegal

    Mr. Siegal Forum Resident

    Sitting on my sofa
  4. Uncle Ernie

    Uncle Ernie Forum Resident

    The Beach Boys -- All I Wanna Do (1969-70)

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  5. veloso2

    veloso2 Forum Resident

    i love this album but for me it has nothing to do with the shoegazing !!
  6. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Pick up a fast car, burn my name in the road

    I am still unsure what Shoegaze actually is lol
  7. veloso2

    veloso2 Forum Resident

    some cocteau twins first recording seems to fit no??
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  8. carlwm

    carlwm Forum Resident

    Me neither! :righton:
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  9. gottenbold

    gottenbold Forum Resident Thread Starter

    West Yorkshire
  10. Uncle Ernie

    Uncle Ernie Forum Resident

    Just the one song--All I Wanna Do. Pretty much the definition of shoegaze. Beach House has made a career of aping this one.
  11. Kassonica

    Kassonica Forum Resident

  12. Cimrya Deal

    Cimrya Deal Forum Resident

    The Beatles' It's All Too Much
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  13. Sebastian saglimbenI

    Sebastian saglimbenI Forum Resident

    New york
    LOTUS EATERS......
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  14. BadJack

    BadJack Forum Resident

    Boston, MA
    I'm not sure what the first is but The Cure's "Pornography" and Cocteau Twins' "Victorialand" seem to point the way towards what was to come.

    Concerning older songs that have a touch of this sound, I used to slip The Monkees' "Porpoise Song" and Buffalo Springfield's "Expecting to Fly" onto playlists and they didn't seem out of place.
  15. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

    Awful description that's been tagged to some of my favorites. About as bad as bro-country :laugh:
  16. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Pick up a fast car, burn my name in the road

    someone played me that ... i threw up in the back of my mouth a little lol
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  17. c-eling

    c-eling I never dreamed another way.

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  18. Echoing an above post, I'd say the first record you can point to and say "that's shoegaze as we know it, Jim" would be AR Kane's "When You're Sad" single, from 1986. Their 2CD singles collection and the 69 album are essential purchases for anyone into the genre.

    The Cocteau Twins were a key influence on the style, but they didn't have the right sort of heaviness/density of sound or noisy edge that typifies shoegaze proper.
  19. humpf

    humpf Allowed to write something here.


    (or rather the single Upside Down from 1984)
  20. Thunderman

    Thunderman Forum Resident

    New York
    I am sure there might be earlier swirly, dreamy songs before The Beatles "It's All Too Much" (there was a thing called psychedelia going on back then and I am sure those into that style of music could point to some early dreamlike shoegaze songs), but that Beatles tune "It's All Too Much" definitely fits the bill of an early shoegaze song. Is it exactly like a Cocteau Twins tune? No. But "Rock Around The Clock" isn't like Led Zep's "Immigrant Song" and both are considered rock and roll songs. "It's All Too Much" definitely has that shoegaze feel. One of the reasons why it is a Top 5 Beatles tune for me.

    Another Liverpool band, Echo And The Bunnymen, in the early '80s put out an album clled "Porcupine" that has a shoegaze feel. I am sure it definitely influenced The Cocteau Twins and Kevin Shields and others who created some shoegaze music.

    There are many parts of this song that give off a shoegaze feel. The break from 2:37 to 4:00 is rather trippy. The boys just didn't use Flangers on their guitars. Had they, this song would have been the ultimate shoegaze tune:

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  21. "Hurdy Gurdy Man" by Donovan also works. It almost seems like a rough template for some of the songs on Isn't Anything.

    On a broadly similar front, I've long thought that MBV could do an amazing version of the Association's "Never My Love".
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  22. I am sure somebody is going to come along with a badly recorded late 70s early 80s artifact with hazy vocals buried in the mix.

    the Glenn Branca’s and Rhys Chatham would be primo candidates if they were murkier sounding with buried vocals they got the layered chiming surging part down.

    Shoegazer Recommendations
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  23. The Formula: (Pre-"Some Candy Talking" JAMC * Cocteau Twins)/Dinosaur Jr + wooziness + a couple of '60s folk-pop albums = shoegaze
  24. dmiller458

    dmiller458 Forum Resident

    Midland, Michigan
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  25. Evethingandnothing

    Evethingandnothing Forum Resident

    Dif Juz predate the Cocteau's, if you're going down that particular shoegazing path.
    I don't remember the phrase being used before the mid 80's though, and as far as I recall it was initially applied to indie guitar bands in general rather than the wall of sound of MBV which came a bit later.
    The Wolfhounds would be literally bent double in search of their shoes.
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