Different masterings for The Best of Blondie (CD)

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  1. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now Thread Starter

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    I finally obtained the Japanese black-triangle CD of The Best of Blondie. The catalog number is CP32-5349. I remember reading positive comments about this disc here awhile back, so I had high expectations. Unfortunately, I found the CD to be a bit fatiguing. Deborah Harry's vocals are bright in several spots. This got me wondering whether there were different masterings among black-triangle copies and among different versions of this compilation.

    As many of you probably know, there are both 12-track and 14-track versions of this compilation, depending on the market and timing of the release. Unique tracks on the 14-track version are "Denis", "Union City Blue", and "Picture This". The unique track on the 12-track version is "One Way or Another".

    I have checked two 12-track discs and two 14-track discs on EAC. Below are the discs tested and the results.


    Discs Tested

    1. 12-track, Japan-for-U.S. pressing, Chrysalis catalog number VK 41337, matrix code is "DIDX-71 21 +++++"

    2. 12-track, German-for-Europe pressing, Chrysalis catalog number 610 015, matrix code is "SONOPRESS 610015 A" (Note: The title of this compilation is actually Blondie's Hits.)

    3. 14-track, West German-for-Europe pressing, Chrysalis catalog number CCD 1371, matrix code is "CCD 1371 2891444 01"

    4. 14-track, Japanese black-triangle pressing, Chrysalis catalog number CP32-5349, matrix code is "CP32-5349 1A2 TO"


    EAC results

    1. 12-track, Japan-for-U.S. pressing, Chrysalis catalog number VK 41337, matrix code is "DIDX-71 21 +++++"


    2. 12-track, German-for-Europe pressing, Chrysalis catalog number 610 015, matrix code is "SONOPRESS 610015 A" (Note: The title of this compilation is actually Blondie's Hits.)


    3. 14-track, West German-for-Europe pressing, Chrysalis catalog number CCD 1371, matrix code is "CCD 1371 2891444 01"


    4. 14-track, Japanese black-triangle pressing, Chrysalis catalog number CP32-5349, matrix code is "CP32-5349 1A2 TO"


    So the two 12-track discs appear to have different masterings. It's been some time since I listened to either one, but I don't recall them being too bad.

    Has anyone found a different mastering for the 12-track version?

    The two 14-track discs also seem to have different masterings. The levels for the West German CCD 1371 disc are very low. Given that I found the CP32 disc to be bright, I am eager to give the CCD disc a spin. I haven't listened to it for a long time.

    Has anyone found a different mastering for the 14-track version? Is there a different mastering for the black-triangle issue?
     
  2. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now Thread Starter

    Location:
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    :wave: No Blondie fans here?
     
  3. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

    Location:
    Tokyo, Japan
    You had me at EAC :hugs:
     
  4. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now Thread Starter

    Location:
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    Thanks, Darcy. It seems that I have no one else. I'll get this information one way or another. ;)
     
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  5. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Location:
    NY
    Keith, I can check my copy later today. I think that I have a US for US or possibly a Canadian.
     
  6. KennyG

    KennyG Forum Resident

    Location:
    Ireland
    Is The Best of Blondie the one with the speed issues or am I thinking of something else?
     
  7. Curiosity

    Curiosity Just A Boy

    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I'm sure there was one mastered at EMI Swindon in the early 90's.
     
  8. everton

    everton Forum Resident

    Location:
    Canada
    I have a 14-track CD. It was made in the U.K. (Chrysalis). On the disc, it says "CDP 32 1371 2" and "Master by Nimbus." Here are the EAC reading.

    Track 1

    Peak level 100.0 %

    Track 2

    Peak level 99.5 %

    Track 3

    Peak level 84.4 %

    Track 4

    Peak level 81.5 %

    Track 5

    Peak level 96.7 %

    Track 6

    Peak level 79.3 %

    Track 7

    Peak level 69.1 %

    Track 8

    Peak level 100.0 %

    Track 9

    Peak level 83.7 %

    Track 10

    Peak level 81.8 %

    Track 11

    Peak level 80.8 %

    Track 12

    Peak level 86.7 %

    Track 13

    Peak level 70.3 %

    Track 14

    Peak level 65.5 %
     
  9. Downsampled

    Downsampled Forum Resident

    There is a previous thread where I posted this:

    Note that there is more discussion about other pressings there as well...
     
  10. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now Thread Starter

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    Thanks. It appears that your disc, which is later than my two 14-track discs has a different mastering. How does it sound.
     
  11. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now Thread Starter

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    Beaver Stadium
    Thanks. Your disc has the same catalog number as everton's, though the two were pressed at different plants. Still, your disc has the same mastering as everton's. How does it sound?

    I did see your post in that older thread but did not see a lot of EAC data there.
     
  12. everton

    everton Forum Resident

    Location:
    Canada
    I think it sounds bright and (according to my wife who happened to pass by when I was comparing it to the Greatest Hits CD) thin. One or two songs (especially "In The Flesh") sound like they have a tape-speed problem. Still, I'm not very picky about the sound. I grew up listening to these songs on a portable cassette radio (and perhaps enjoyed them more then than now).
     
  13. Brian81

    Brian81 Active Member

    Location:
    Ohio

    I used to own the CD but don't really care much the remixes.
     
  14. drbryant

    drbryant Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I only have the CP32. Isn't it supposed to sound a little bright -- all those cymbals on the intro to Denis -- crash, crash, CRASH.

    I like it.
     
  15. Downsampled

    Downsampled Forum Resident

    It was a while ago that I compared it to my U.S. pressing. I recall it being a bit brittle in places -- which surprised me, because I was expecting something more laid-back.

    If I get a chance I'll listen again and try to note some specifics...
     
  16. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now Thread Starter

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    Thanks. There has been discussion in the past of tape-speed issues, but I am not up on the details.

    My issue with the CP32 disc when I listened to it a few days ago was that Harry's vocals were piercing in places. I did not enjoy the listen. Now I need to go back and compare to some tracks on the Parallel Lines DCC gold disc.

    Thanks. Much appreciated. I may still try to get a copy of this mastering on the cheap just to see how it stacks up against other versions.
     
  17. everton

    everton Forum Resident

    Location:
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    If I remember correctly, there was a discussion in a past thread on the possibility that this CD would be remastered. If they are working on it, perhaps you may want to wait. Having said that, I'd like to add that the CD, as it is now, is not excessively bright. It's certainly listenable (but my standard is not as high as others' here). Its tape-speed issue might bother you more than its brightness does.
     
  18. button

    button Forum Resident

    Keith,

    I've recently acquired a Denon Japan for UK pressing, Chrysalis CCD 1371. It seems to have a unique mastering.

    Track 1

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\01. Heart Of Glass.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC BE01BC10
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 2

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\02. Denis.wav

    Peak level 97.3 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Test CRC 2543B543
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 3

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\03. The Tide Is High.wav

    Peak level 82.4 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Test CRC DA290BB0
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 4

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\04. In The Flesh.wav

    Peak level 79.7 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Test CRC 625A68B4
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 5

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\05. Sunday Girl.wav

    Peak level 94.5 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 347C16C0
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 6

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\06. Dreaming.wav

    Peak level 77.5 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC BF12CCF7
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 7

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\07. Hanging On The Telephone.wav

    Peak level 67.5 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC B37012FF
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 8

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\08. Rapture.wav

    Peak level 97.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 4E108FDA
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 9

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\09. Picture This.wav

    Peak level 81.8 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Test CRC C0B3A744
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 10

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\10. Union City Blue.wav

    Peak level 79.9 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC A3594A45
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 11

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\11. (I'm Always Touched By Your) Presence, Dear.wav

    Peak level 79.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 23DE1E6B
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 12

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\12. Call Me (Theme from American Gigolo).wav

    Peak level 84.7 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Test CRC C505E3B1
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 13

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\13. Atomic.wav

    Peak level 68.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 6CF2C553
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK

    Track 14

    Filename C:\Music\Blondie\The Best Of Blondie (comp) (1983)\14. Rip Her To Shreds.wav

    Peak level 64.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Test CRC 2967ECCB
    Track not present in AccurateRip database
    Copy OK
     
  19. SimonSaysCake

    SimonSaysCake Forum Resident

    I just realized I have the Japan-for-US Chrysalis CD (same as Keith's), smooth sided case, "CSR COMPACT DISC" x3 in the hub. I agree with Keith, on first listen it is too bright, not a great listen. Knowing that it is a CSR Japan pressing, I decided it may be a disc with improperly recognized pre-emphasis flags so I ran the tracks through Sox to fix that. The results are substantially better, the disc is much more listenable. However, I'm not quite convinced that it has pre-emphasis as the symbols now seem a bit muddy and buried.

    -s1m0n-
     
  20. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

    Location:
    Nashville,Tn. USA
    This is so funny Keith. I just discovered that I have 3 seperate masterings on this title last week. I was gonna start a thread about it myself :) I had 3 copies and was thinking about selling a couple when I ran them through EAC and found they were all 3 different! It just makes me wonder how many titles are out there we don't know about (yet). Chrysalis, in my experience, had fewer titles with multiple masterings compared to say a label like Sony. Excluding some black triangle titles (EMI more than Chrysalis),the only ones that come to mind off the top of my head with different masterings are Jethro Tull (Broadsword, Aqualung, etc.) and this Blondie title. I'm sure there are others. I haven't critically listened to the 3 to determine which I prefer as of yet.
     
  21. bru87tr

    bru87tr Forum Resident

    Location:
    MA
    I recently picked up the DCC of PL and it is great.

    I thought about getting the Best of CP32 pressing, I thought I heard it was good. I guess I will avoid it now.

    So is there a prefered Best of ?
     
  22. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Here's the EAC log of my copy: Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 5 from 4. May 2009

    EAC extraction logfile from 9. September 2010, 21:14

    Blondie / The Best of Blondie

    Used drive : HL-DT-STDVD-RW GSA-H60L Adapter: 2 ID: 0

    Read mode : Secure
    Utilize accurate stream : Yes
    Defeat audio cache : No
    Make use of C2 pointers : No

    Read offset correction : 667
    Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Null samples used in CRC calculations : No
    Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
    Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track

    Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
    Sample format : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


    TOC of the extracted CD

    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.00 | 4:35.55 | 0 | 20679
    2 | 4:35.55 | 3:08.10 | 20680 | 34789
    3 | 7:43.65 | 4:42.12 | 34790 | 55951
    4 | 12:26.02 | 2:32.08 | 55952 | 67359
    5 | 14:58.10 | 3:05.05 | 67360 | 81239
    6 | 18:03.15 | 2:33.05 | 81240 | 92719
    7 | 20:36.20 | 5:36.70 | 92720 | 117989
    8 | 26:13.15 | 3:36.30 | 117990 | 134219
    9 | 29:49.45 | 2:42.65 | 134220 | 146434
    10 | 32:32.35 | 3:32.67 | 146435 | 162401
    11 | 36:05.27 | 4:42.18 | 162402 | 183569
    12 | 40:47.45 | 3:23.22 | 183570 | 198816


    Track 1

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Heart of Glass.wav

    Peak level 97.2 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 8AC30230
    Accurately ripped (confidence 93) [5093FEEA]
    Copy OK

    Track 2

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Dreaming.wav

    Peak level 76.5 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC F5FD4BB3
    Accurately ripped (confidence 93) [3AB41A6F]
    Copy OK

    Track 3

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\The Tide Is High.wav

    Peak level 99.6 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 8138DBD6
    Accurately ripped (confidence 96) [42C193E0]
    Copy OK

    Track 4

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\In the Flesh.wav

    Peak level 81.1 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Copy CRC C16BB9CC
    Accurately ripped (confidence 94) [7B04B956]
    Copy OK

    Track 5

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Sunday Girl.wav

    Peak level 85.9 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC A92CE76F
    Accurately ripped (confidence 95) [B43879B1]
    Copy OK

    Track 6

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Hanging on the Telephone.wav

    Peak level 73.7 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Copy CRC 38AA3B74
    Accurately ripped (confidence 92) [0F6584FD]
    Copy OK

    Track 7

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Rapture.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC E55E5364
    Accurately ripped (confidence 93) [ABD77C62]
    Copy OK

    Track 8

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\One Way or Another.wav

    Peak level 82.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 071BDFD2
    Accurately ripped (confidence 96) [1314174C]
    Copy OK

    Track 9

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\(I'm Always Touched by Your) Presence Dear.wav

    Peak level 78.6 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 3AA04EDB
    Accurately ripped (confidence 93) [F036C6B0]
    Copy OK

    Track 10

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Call Me (Theme From American Gigolo).wav

    Peak level 76.3 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 9F7D5487
    Accurately ripped (confidence 93) [81BD0BF0]
    Copy OK

    Track 11

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Atomic.wav

    Peak level 65.4 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Copy CRC 44517862
    Accurately ripped (confidence 89) [6B17C022]
    Copy OK

    Track 12

    Filename C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\Rip Her to Shreds.wav

    Peak level 77.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 6D5CB653
    Accurately ripped (confidence 89) [C020C71A]
    Copy OK


    All tracks accurately ripped

    No errors occurred

    End of status report


    The DR+ log:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Analyzed folder: C:\Users\Bradley P. W. Olson\Desktop\Blondie\
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR Peak RMS Filename
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DR13 -2.09 dB -17.42 dB (I'm Always Touched by Your) Presence Dear.wav
    DR11 -3.68 dB -18.06 dB Atomic.wav
    DR13 -2.34 dB -17.46 dB Call Me (Theme From American Gigolo).wav
    DR13 -2.32 dB -17.27 dB Dreaming.wav
    DR12 -2.65 dB -16.99 dB Hanging on the Telephone.wav
    DR15 -0.25 dB -17.34 dB Heart of Glass.wav
    DR12 -1.81 dB -17.08 dB In the Flesh.wav
    DR13 -1.72 dB -16.48 dB One Way or Another.wav
    DR15 over -16.78 dB Rapture.wav
    DR14 -2.19 dB -18.42 dB Rip Her to Shreds.wav
    DR13 -1.32 dB -16.65 dB Sunday Girl.wav
    DR15 -0.03 dB -17.14 dB The Tide Is High.wav
    DR14 -1.30 dB -17.77 dB Heart of Glass.mp3
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of files: 13
    Official DR value: DR13

    ==============================================================================================


    My copy of this comp sounds excellent and it is an F2 21337 DIDX 71 Chrysalis US copy.
     
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  23. Muzyck

    Muzyck Real inventor of the inverted firkin

    A little late to the party but I thought I would post the EAC values of my VK 41337 copy. Disc Manufactured in Austria with Printed in USA artwork.

    Appears to be the same mastering as the Japan for US disc


    EAC values.......



    Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 5 from 4. May 2009

    EAC extraction logfile from 2. February 2011, 11:02

    Unknown Artist / Unknown Title

    Used drive : Memorex DVD+-RAM 530L v1 Adapter: 4 ID: 0

    Read mode : Burst

    Read offset correction : 6
    Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Null samples used in CRC calculations : No
    Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
    Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track

    Performing a test extraction only


    TOC of the extracted CD

    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.00 | 4:35.55 | 0 | 20679
    2 | 4:35.55 | 3:08.10 | 20680 | 34789
    3 | 7:43.65 | 4:42.10 | 34790 | 55949
    4 | 12:26.00 | 2:32.10 | 55950 | 67359
    5 | 14:58.10 | 3:05.05 | 67360 | 81239
    6 | 18:03.15 | 2:33.05 | 81240 | 92719
    7 | 20:36.20 | 5:36.70 | 92720 | 117989
    8 | 26:13.15 | 3:36.30 | 117990 | 134219
    9 | 29:49.45 | 2:42.65 | 134220 | 146434
    10 | 32:32.35 | 3:32.67 | 146435 | 162401
    11 | 36:05.27 | 4:42.18 | 162402 | 183569
    12 | 40:47.45 | 3:22.70 | 183570 | 198789


    Track 1

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track01.wav

    Timing problem 0:00:17
    Timing problem 0:00:19

    Peak level 97.2 %
    Test CRC A7401FF5
    Accurately ripped (confidence 41) [E2C4E528]
    Copy finished

    Track 2

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track02.wav

    Peak level 76.5 %
    Test CRC D5CAE0E4
    Accurately ripped (confidence 42) [19BF31AD]
    Copy OK

    Track 3

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track03.wav

    Peak level 99.6 %
    Test CRC 79D5DBFB
    Accurately ripped (confidence 41) [4FED15F9]
    Copy OK

    Track 4

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track04.wav

    Peak level 81.1 %
    Test CRC 5EBD0F52
    Accurately ripped (confidence 41) [FB9044A1]
    Copy OK

    Track 5

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track05.wav

    Peak level 85.9 %
    Test CRC 8B24FBE0
    Accurately ripped (confidence 43) [58EE50AA]
    Copy OK

    Track 6

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track06.wav

    Peak level 73.7 %
    Test CRC 256399EB
    Accurately ripped (confidence 40) [065E3D2C]
    Copy OK

    Track 7

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track07.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Test CRC E0820516
    Accurately ripped (confidence 43) [8A237227]
    Copy OK

    Track 8

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track08.wav

    Timing problem 0:00:31

    Peak level 82.0 %
    Test CRC E2C9F6DE
    Accurately ripped (confidence 42) [D1BE179F]
    Copy finished

    Track 9

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track09.wav

    Peak level 78.6 %
    Test CRC A24BACA9
    Accurately ripped (confidence 41) [8AFAFA8D]
    Copy OK

    Track 10

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track10.wav

    Peak level 76.3 %
    Test CRC 2010014D
    Accurately ripped (confidence 42) [A9613D7D]
    Copy OK

    Track 11

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track11.wav

    Timing problem 0:04:30

    Peak level 65.4 %
    Test CRC CE06B8AE
    Accurately ripped (confidence 41) [40268E19]
    Copy finished

    Track 12

    Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Muzyck\My Documents\Track12.wav

    Peak level 77.7 %
    Test CRC A108F943
    Accurately ripped (confidence 43) [7FC57DD3]
    Copy OK


    All tracks accurately ripped

    No errors occurred

    End of status report
     
  24. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now Thread Starter

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    We need one of those color-coded Excel files.

    Does anyone find any of these masterings to sound warm?
     
  25. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

    Location:
    Nashville,Tn. USA
    ricks are you there? :agree:
     
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