Best version of REO Speedwagon's "Hi Infidelity"?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JohnBeas, Sep 10, 2007.

  1. JohnBeas

    JohnBeas Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I'm wondering what the best-sounding version of "Hi Infidelity" is on vinyl or CD. 1st issue Japanese CD release? Original US CD release? Gold Mastersound disc? Half-speed mastered LP? Other?
    All I currently have is the current remaster and it sounds rather muddy.
  2. gener8tr

    gener8tr Forum Resident

    Vancouver, WA USA
    I have the original Japan for Europe CD pressing #CDEPC 84700. This version has the Japanese catalog number 35DP listed in the hub, so I would assume mastering is identical to the original Japan for Japan release?

    I think the sound on this one is great. I use my spectrum analyzer to "see" the sound as well as "hearing" it (as my ears are much more deceiptful than my eyes). EQ levels bounce all over the place nicely. Certainly not maximized at all.

    I also have the original USA vinyl and it sounds good, too. Not ground-breaking, but certainly no problems IMO.
  3. Curiosity

    Curiosity Just A Boy

    United Kingdom
    Do you know I bought that back in September '87? It sounded a bit thin and lacking in the 200-500hz area but it may well have been my system as quite a few discs of that vintage I've re-bought recently sound great on the current system.
    Currently with the Mastersound Gold which I find quite satisfactory.
  4. brokenhat

    brokenhat Forum Resident

    I am not totally happy with the Mastersound Gold CD that I have and hope for a better mastering job in the future but it is passable.
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  5. JoelDF

    JoelDF Senior Member

    Prairieville, LA
    I don't have the CD, but a few months back I pulled out my old LP bought back in the day, and boy, does that opening guitar note and drum intro on "Don't Let Him Go" sound mighty fine on vinyl.
  6. drbryant

    drbryant Senior Member

    Los Angeles, CA
    I finally found a copy of this for my 1982-83 Japan collection. It is 35 8P 4. Definitely looking forward to hearing it.
  7. bru87tr

    bru87tr Forum Resident

    my 1E/1F Kendun pressing sounds really good to me.

    the original US cd sounds ok.
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  8. 8tracks

    8tracks Forum Addict

    San Diego, CA USA
    I can't think of any album with a wider gap between its sales/chart dominance (15 weeks at #1) and the nominal amount of respect it seems to receive today. I was the one person who preferred Nine Lives to Hi Infidelity, but I'm glad to see a little appreciation for this monster album.
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  9. fortherecord

    fortherecord Forum Resident

    Rochester, NY
    How does the current remaster sound, I've passed a lot of used copies up. I never see older pressings around.
  10. JohnBeas

    JohnBeas Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Thanks for everyones input - I'm hoping to find the Japanese first pressing one of these days but it sounds like the LP might also be a decent alternative. I don't think the current remaster sounds terrible but I'd like to find the "definitive" version.
    I agree with 8Tracks about how popular this album was when it came out and how it seems to be largely out of favor with lots of people. To me its the perfect pop album and one of those great albums where almost every track made it onto radio at some point. It came out when I was 17 and just starting to get really crazy about music so that also has influenced my love for this album.
  11. brokenhat

    brokenhat Forum Resident

    I agree with John, a fantastic album top to bottom and unfairly criticized because it was by REO Speedwagon.
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  12. mrdiscman

    mrdiscman Disc Manufacturing Specialist

    I have always liked Nine Lives more, as well. But Hi Infidelity is certainly a great album (especially side 2).

    Has anyone heard "Hi Infidelity...Then Again Live" (the newly remade live full performance of the album from XM radio in 2006)? Part of a Walmart exclusive 3 CD set, it is quite good & the newer band members certainly made it a point to study the original Richrath guitar solos and Gratzer drumming from the original Hi Infidelity. Check it out! The 3 CD set is only $14.88!

  13. magick28

    magick28 New Member

    So how does the cd with "now made in the u.s.a" compare with the rest?
  14. Dan

    Dan Senior Member

    I would have thought this would have been a "slam-dunk" to be part of Sony's first SACD releases. I wonder why this one never had any consideration.
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    ATSMUSIC Forum Resident

    MD, USA
    I have the japan first press 3/4 black face and I love it. you can find it cheap if you are patient. I think I paid like $20 or so for mine.
  16. CusBlues

    CusBlues Fort Wayne’s Favorite Son

    I too like Nine Lives better than Hi Infidelity. Actually, I prefer almost all earlier REO albums to Hi Infidelity. It was a good album, and of course was a monster seller, but I preferred the earlier albums.
  17. McLover

    McLover Senior Member

    Athens, Tennessee
    Original Japan (for USA and European) CD is fine quality. The new one is a little too treble boosted (and maximized) for my taste. Not obnoxious though. The US vinyl is fine.
  18. Wilkie

    Wilkie New Member

    Richmond, VA, USA
    Best version of Hi Infidelity? It has to be this gold version:



  19. PTgraphics

    PTgraphics Senior Member

    I had two LP pressings of Hi Infidelity. One had a narrow run-out and one had a pretty wide one. One sounded much better than the other. I might still have both, so I will keep looking for it.

  20. fabtrick

    fabtrick New Member

    My brother listened to this recently - during the period this was so HUGE, he was totally in another world, doing college radio and listening mostly to new wave, then alternative.

    He pretty much hates this record.

    For someone who normally understands rock/pop, I'm baffled. It's clearly the pinnacle of REO's success - solid album, years of being road dogs finally paying off. You can't fault them for finally breaking thru. It was the old school way of record companies sheparding a band to success.

    I remember an Entertainment Tonight segment on using the Little Rascals snippet in TOUGH GUYS! Does ET even show anything that isn't tabloid gossip these days?
  21. JohnBeas

    JohnBeas Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I'm still looking for this one - I'm amazed by how rarely any version of this CD comes up in the SH marketplace. I also frequent a lot of used CD stores and have yet to find a Japan for US version. That being said I just purchased the Japanese Mastersound LP off ebay a few days ago (it should be in the mail as I type this).
  22. bru87tr

    bru87tr Forum Resident

    does anyone have EAC and the 35-8P or 35DP levels to post ?

    I have a late 80's pressing with D* in hub and wondering how it compares to the early pressings.
  23. Charliemcd

    Charliemcd Forum Resident

    The 35.8P-4, ESCA 7659 and EK-36844 Japan for USA pressings are all the same mastering and levels. Here's the EAC log for the 35.8P-4:

    Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008

    EAC extraction logfile from 16. September 2008, 11:41

    REO Speedwagon / Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)

    Used drive : LITE-ON LTR-52327S Adapter: 1 ID: 1

    Read mode : Secure
    Utilize accurate stream : Yes
    Defeat audio cache : Yes
    Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

    Read offset correction : 6
    Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
    Used interface : Installed external ASPI interface
    Gap handling : Appended to previous track

    Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
    Sample format : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
    Use compression offset : 6

    TOC of the extracted CD

    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    1 | 0:00.00 | 3:45.70 | 0 | 16944
    2 | 3:45.70 | 3:22.17 | 16945 | 32111
    3 | 7:08.12 | 3:50.38 | 32112 | 49399
    4 | 10:58.50 | 3:17.12 | 49400 | 64186
    5 | 14:15.62 | 4:04.00 | 64187 | 82486
    6 | 18:19.62 | 3:50.23 | 82487 | 99759
    7 | 22:10.10 | 3:07.32 | 99760 | 113816
    8 | 25:17.42 | 2:25.33 | 113817 | 124724
    9 | 27:43.00 | 2:40.32 | 124725 | 136756
    10 | 30:23.32 | 4:30.10 | 136757 | 157016

    Track 1

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\01 Don't Let Him Go.wav

    Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

    Peak level 64.2 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 83EFB6FA
    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [CCD2813B]
    Copy OK

    Track 2

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\02 Keep On Loving You.wav

    Peak level 66.2 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC B00AABCD
    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [CA95E2B7]
    Copy OK

    Track 3

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\03 Follow My Heart.wav

    Pre-gap length 0:00:00.25

    Peak level 61.9 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 6BAE1F84
    Accurately ripped (confidence 6) [CDB98447]
    Copy OK

    Track 4

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\04 In Your Letter.wav

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    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\05 Take It On The Run.wav

    Pre-gap length 0:00:00.50

    Peak level 50.1 %
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    Track 6

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\06 Tough Guys.wav

    Pre-gap length 0:00:02.12

    Peak level 54.1 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
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    Track 7

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\07 Out Of Season.wav

    Peak level 57.0 %
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    Track 8

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\08 Shakin' It Loose.wav

    Peak level 67.9 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 43BC7262
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    Track 9

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\09 Someone Tonight.wav

    Peak level 62.4 %
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    Copy OK

    Track 10

    Filename D:\Music\REO Speedwagon\Hi Infidelity (35.8P-4)\10 I Wish You Were There.wav

    Peak level 71.9 %
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    Copy CRC 85F7FED9
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  24. bru87tr

    bru87tr Forum Resident

    thank you!

    def different than the pressing I have which I think most peak at 100%, will have to check my file.
  25. dkmonroe

    dkmonroe A completely self-taught idiot

    Speaking as one of the generation to whom this album "belonged" (I was 16 when it began its chart run) I have to say that it had two things going against it as far as posterity goes:

    1. It was so freakishly popular for such a fleeting moment that one cannot help but associate it with that moment. I never bought the album because I didn't have to - for at least a solid year I heard it every day on the radio, and not just one or two tracks. Some things which happen in the teen years never transcend those years. If I had this LP, I would listen to it purely for nostalgia.

    2. REO's subsequent releases were dreadful, in my and many of my peer's opinions. One of my school buddies was a big REO fan before HI, and he said he listen to the first minute or so of the followup album (Good Trouble) and tossed it in disgust. Although this doesn't necessarily impact the real quality of HI, it did take the bloom off the rose somewhat. We all grew up, but REO didn't grow with us.

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