Albums are dead.

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by manco, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. jeddy

    jeddy Forum Resident

    yes
    I never understood why people hate physical media...
    I don't get what's wrong with it?
    Is it wasteful?

    cars are wasteful, urban sprawl is wasteful, carboard boxes are wasteful, toilet paper is wasteful (since that is what it is!...………..waste)
    Facebook is wasteful, these threads are wasteful (time wasters)

    is this all about carbon footprints or is this attitude part of the new "social engineering" of society?
    Can't we all get along?

    I like collecting stuff
    I like stuff!
    I like touching stuff
    stuff is cool!

    people are stupid
    just look at my avatar
     
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  2. drbryant

    drbryant Forum Resident

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    Sorry, I only read a few recent posts, so I didn't follow where the discussion was going.

    Anyway, I think that albums are still important to me because I enjoy primarily indie/alternative rock and R&B, and artists in those genres still appear think in terms of albums. I am not so sure about pop, EDM and hip-hip - those seem to me to be very "track" oriented genres. But rock/R&B artists still release "albums" and structure product campaigns and tours around album releases (much like the old days). I still follow album ratings on Metacritic, Pitchfork and even NME and Rolling Stone. I definitely still go through the annual "best of" lists, and try to pick a few that might be of interest. Last year, those lists helped me discover great new albums by Mitski and Snail Mail.

    I don't get the same buzz from a "new track dropping" announcement as I do from a new album release. This week alone, I am pretty interested in new albums by Bon Iver, Tool and Lana Del Rey. All three releases have been promoted for months, and have been widely anticipated - there is lots of hype. Bought the Tool CD with the built in video screen and both the green colored vinyl and the signed CD of Lana's latest album.

    Next month, early October brings long-awaited third albums from young shoegazers DIIV and cute metal darlings Babymetal. I have the autographed vinyl coming from DIIV and the clear vinyl coming from Babymetal. Both are launching tours around the release of their new albums. At Glastonbury, Babymetal teased "Pa Pa Ya!!" from the upcoming album. Oh, man. . . .

    Maybe it's just older listeners like me buying albums and physical product, but I've always enjoyed it.

     
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  3. drbryant

    drbryant Forum Resident

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    I'm pretty sure that is what I would call feigned sarcasm. The person posting probably isn't really familiar with classical music, and covers that lack of understanding with "clearly telegraphed" sarcasm. It's very common; I see it all the time in my profession. In that situation, I think it is fine to offer a gentle response that might help the person appreciate a rewarding but different (and for some, a very difficult) musical genre.
     
  4. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Chevelle Ma Belle

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    By totality I simply meant that the album held together as a unified experience. Sometimes one or two songs jump out as catchier than the others but with repeated listens you see how the others not only fit but provide a better context for the catchy ones than they would be as stand alones.

    Although I am less bothered than you by artists changing or developing a somewhat different style, I agree that it seldom works well. But the best artists are able to do it because they have a strong personality that is consistent in whatever style they adopt. But often artists are pressured to change with the times as we saw with disco or back to roots or synthesizers/drum machines etc.
     
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  5. peskypesky

    peskypesky Forum Resident

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    Albums aren't dead. They just smell funny.
     
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  6. Victor Martell

    Victor Martell Forum Resident

    Well - I am replying before reading the whole of the thread - I do see an inconsistency - And I am not even saying that the album is super-healthy as the preferred artistic statement by recording artists. I currently CBFed to search some statistics that will prove I am 100% right. BUT - the article states, he is No. 1 with 83 million streams AND the measly 823 albums. It does say it is a multi-metric. So, me thinks obviously the main reason he shot to No. 1 is those 83 million streams. The measly 823 albums is a headline grabber.

    And, again, I admit that is true that the industry, album sales, etc are not what they were, so I am not saying that albums sales are super healthy. BUT I think it only proves that the young ones do not buy albums or downloads... heck I guess that means they don't buy, period.

    I suspect there are albums out there that have sold many more than 832 albums - they just don't move the multi-metric in terms of the other factors - didn't recent releases from Jack White and Pink Floyd moved way more vinyl than that? of course, do not think they reached 83 million streams. I see from the article that there is a sales only chart that is topped by A Star Is Born - wonder how many sales does that mean? Maybe 2000 albums? or less?

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  7. R. Cat Conrad

    R. Cat Conrad Almost Famous

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    So you're a Styx fan, right? :winkgrin:

    Albums dead, really? Unless you're talking about the wax where they stamp the numbers, I think that's overstating it a bit.

    BTW, I'm very happy with the performers I like. :righton:

    Yes Siri
    , I do consider streaming advocacy overrated ...along with hyperbole that ventures into crazy pants territory.

    :cheers:
    Cat
     
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  8. Diamond Dog

    Diamond Dog Cautionary Example

    For all the "Modern Dad this" and "Modern Dad that " nonsense you sling around wherever you land, you don't come across as very modern. You actually sound like the segment of the Forum that wants to live in a past time paradise : "Radiohead was good until they changed and now they suck, U2 needs to sound like U2, Taylor Swift needs to stay in my comfort zone and stay there forever.... And I speak for everyone." Some modernity.
    You just sound like another crotchety old guy who hollers for the nurse when change comes around and bumps your bed. Except you talk about yourself in the third person. Peter Pyle and Rockledge never did that...

    D.D.
     
  9. R. Cat Conrad

    R. Cat Conrad Almost Famous

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    [​IMG]

    :cheers:
    Cat
     
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  10. wolfram

    wolfram Slave to the rhythm

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    None of this is true for the concerts I've been to in the last couple of years (and I've been to a few). The tickets were around €30 or €40, €50 were the most expensive. Some of the performances were fantastic and as far from "robotic" as it gets. And I never bought a t-shirt at a concert in my life (though I regret I didn't when I saw The Residents recently).

    "Siri, buy tickets for the upcoming concerts by Anna Calvi and St. Vincent!"
     
  11. Mbd77

    Mbd77 Florum Resdent

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    I’ve been thinking about this a bit lately.

    Is it a bit of social engineering?

    There’s a lot of Socialistic ideas in Society via the Media, particularly in the U.K. and the USA, almost Communism, more now than a few years ago. Harder Left leaning ideas presented as mainstream and acceptable whereas in the past they would’ve been more on the fringes. I’m not commenting on or judging anyone’s political beliefs or trying to turn this into a political thread, but it’s easy to be drawn into the message even subconsciously that it wrong or frivilous to own ‘stuff’ that doesn’t serve a basic purpose. You don’t need things, what you need will be provided for you etc...consumerism and private ownership is wrong and more community accessible things are good. You shouldn’t like what you like, you should like what’s trending or what Spotify recommends or gets inserted into your playlist via an algorithm.

    I also see a lot of this ‘nobody owns music, it should be free’ stuff, particularly with people who tape live music (usually without permission). Interestingly that usually only goes as far as someone doing something like posting an MP3 conversion or sticking it on a board the taper doesn’t like, then it becomes ‘their’ recording.

    There’s also the idea that the past, tradition or the way we might’ve lived even the 80s is something to be jeered at or sniggered at. You see a lot of these videos on YouTube that are almost mocking in tone when 15 year olds can’t work out a rotary telephone. There’s almost a suggestion that this is somehow primitive technology, rather than the fact that a 15 year old just hasn’t seen it before.

    Just an idea, don’t shoot me down, but it seems like a lot of these ‘cd is dead’, ‘this is finished’, ‘this is the latest thing and if you don’t do you’re a relic and a joke’ type threads are based on the idea of mass follower thinking rather that individual choice and personal preference.
     
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  12. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Resident

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    Ah, rotary telephones. I remember those well. Them were the days.

    It harks back to a simpler, more relaxed time, a time when people were occasionally not on the phone.
     
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  13. Mothmanica

    Mothmanica Forum Cryptid

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    Albums are dead

    Albums aren't dead, it's people's taste in music that is dead.
     
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  14. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Resident

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    Reports of the death of the album are greatly exaggerated.

    Unfortunately, however, Mark Twain is in fact dead.
     
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  15. yesstiles

    yesstiles Senior Member

    If you're listening to an artist who only has 3 or 4 good songs on their album, then ditch that pathetic artist. There are hundreds of artists out there with virtually no dud tracks on their albums.
     
  16. Evethingandnothing

    Evethingandnothing Forum Resident

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    Firstly, an album can be whatever you want it to be. It doesn't have to conform to anything. Secondly, the way you describe it has nothing in common with the way I do it. Thirdly, I don't give a hoot about what other people listen to. I realise that I may be in the minority, but I don't really care about that either.
     
  17. peskypesky

    peskypesky Forum Resident

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    but he lives on
     
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  18. R. Cat Conrad

    R. Cat Conrad Almost Famous

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    Samuel Clemens might have something to say about that. :winkgrin:

    Alas, Ne'er The Twain Shall Meet. :D

    :cheers:
    Cat
     
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  19. wolfram

    wolfram Slave to the rhythm

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    Ironically, Taylor Swift never would have released "Shake It Off" if she hadn't strayed quite a bit from what she did before. And if you don't think that Radiohead recording "OK Computer" was a prime example of artists changing and experimenting, you probably have never heard "Pablo Honey".

    But whatever, keep on doing your thing. Obviously your reality has very little in common with mine and that's fine with me. I'll keep on listening to dead albums and going to concerts to get ripped off. Modern Dad definitely does not speak for me.
     
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  20. DRM

    DRM Forum Resident

    It's forbidden by some to even dare to suggest there is any filler in classical music. But the truth is, there is. Similar to the bloated Tales Of Topographic Oceans by Yes. Some of the songs on that album are pure filler. Could never hope to be released as singles.
    Exactly.
    Buyer's regret. I know it well.
    Many albums are bloated and not a cohesive and well thought out statement.
    Please don't dilute the Modern Dad brand. Modern Dad is unique because he DOESN'T speak for everyone. He doesn't just go along with the crowd. Yes, he speaks aloud what many are thinking but won't admit to or express publicly. True enough. But Modern Dad has plenty of opinions and attitudes contrary to many. That aspect of M.D. (as opposed to Phd) helps to make Modern Dad unique. And the fact that Modern Dad refers to himself in the third person.
     
  21. Vaughan

    Vaughan Forum Resident

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    An interesting comment. What does "filler", and singles, have in common? It almost seems as though you're suggesting that if a track couldn't be a single, it's filler - which would be an odd assertion, imo.

    I'm one of those who think "filler" is a pretty rare occurrence. It strikes me people tend to use the term to explain why they like one track more than another, or why they don't like a track at all.

    You're into singles apparently, which is fair enough. Each to their own. But you then extend that thought to suggest you have a good grasp of albums, and what is and what is not "filler", which strikes me as absurd.

    Instead - I suggest you simply have tracks you like, and tracks you don't. Since album aren't your thing, you don't really have a good ear for what makes a great album and what doesn't. :shrug:
     
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  22. DRM

    DRM Forum Resident

    Taylor Swift has created a calculated and contrived brand based on her being a young teen girl, even if she's not. Like an anime tart. Urban Dictionary: tart

    But Taylor's brand clearly falls under the old tried and true burlesque model. The "sex sells and so does teasing" model. That's been around for decades. Similar to Mae West, Madonna, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Beyonce, Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande...the list goes on and on. Like you, some of her fans do NOT want her to grow up. But not to worry. She still is doing burlesque. But having a harder time pulling off the young barbie doll act.

    Additionally, I think you are being remarkably authentic and transparent when you say that you don't like artists to change. Similar to Modern Dad. He's modern. But static and a throwback as well. Only an updated model. That's why Modern Dad has the potential to transcend generations while still being relevant. Even if Modern Dad sometimes is counter cultural. While speaking for so many. Who don't like change or fleeting trends. But will wholly embrace a brand like Apple and significantly identify with it. Ask Siri. But there's a problem. Apple People have yet to fully grasp or even acknowledge that Steve Jobs is gone. That would involve admitting that Apple isn't Apple anymore. (Ouch.) "Too much change. I can't HEAR you."

    Here's some more burlesque:
     
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  23. Vaughan

    Vaughan Forum Resident

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    Wow. It's not often I that I'm surprised by what I read on these forum, but this is such a time. I'll assume you're being genuine here.

    This idea is, for me, preposterous. Take Radiohead a an example. What is the real Radiohead? The debut, the Bends? Or it is it Kid A? Which is entirely the point. You like the music a band make at a point in time, and from that you go on the journey with them, whatever that is, bailing if your enjoyment drops. I can't think of a more dull experience than the one you seem to lay out.

    What's the real Jethro Tull? This Was, Song from the Wood, Under Wraps, Thick as a Brick? What's the real John Cale, Paris 1919, Fear, Music for a New Society?

    I guess I'm just a very different type of music lover....
     
  24. Vaughan

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    Agreed. It's corporate pop. It's formulaic in the extreme, it's engineered to compromise for quick success. Which is fine, because it's clearly working.

    To my ears that renders it incredibly boring. Swift is nice to look at, which many in 2019 will be offended to read - what do looks matter, etc. However, they're selling the look, they know she's cute, and that's all part of the tool set - and therefore fair game to remark upon, imo.

    Swift is the latest in a long line of pop artists who sell to the masses. It's legitimate, because it's doing what it says on the tin. Personally I find it incredibly dull and yawn inducing, but I'm not the target market.

    To get back on topic - if you really want to know about "the album" and it's validity, you really need to ignore artists like Swift. Her career is about making sickly sweet musical confectioneries. Every album is essentially a Greatest Hits package for a period in time. You can't really compare that to putting together a Yes album, imo. They're very different beasts. (for example, Steve Howe isn't cute).
     
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  25. DRM

    DRM Forum Resident

    Modern Dad doesn't want Radiohead to change away from O.K. Computer. Which admittedly is a great and seminal album. But the thing is, to create O.K. Computer, Radiohead had to change.
     
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