Should The Beatles' A Hard Day's Night Be Colorized for a New Generation To Enjoy?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by 2141, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. Royce

    Royce Forum Resident

    I've been with this thread from the beginning, and nowhere did 2141 ever say anything about this being done without The Beatles blessing. Also, it was not The Beatles OR Dick Lester's choice to make the film in black & white. It was United Artists who decided the budget. Here's a direct quote from Dick Lester:

    The idea of the film came from the film department of United Artists at the beginning of 1964, and they said they’d only do it if it was cheap and in black and white and if we could get it done by July. They thought The Beatles were going to be a spent force by the end of the summer.”


    That should put an end to the black & white being an artistic decision nonsense.
     
  2. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Resident

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    By the way, who saw the need for a new word, "colorized"? (or "colourised", or however you wish to spell it.) What's wrong with just saying "colored"/"coloured"?

    I'm all in favour of neologisms, but only if the new word is serving a purpose that was not served by existing words.
     
  3. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Poll indicator suggests YES.
     
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  4. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Yes GH was right along.
     
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  5. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Have both.
     
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  6. Royce

    Royce Forum Resident

    I like the way Alex thinks! :righton:
     
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  7. CBS 65780

    CBS 65780 "Could I do one more immediately?"

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    Agreed. If we are messing with 1964 movies, would we put Dr. Strangelove, Or; How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb into colour?!; that would be a travesty.
    Mind you, I think Marnie would be better in black & white. :hide:
     
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  8. Fab Four Revolution

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    It would have to be REALLY, REALLY good and life-like. It would take some convincing that's for sure.
     
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  9. let him run...

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    In Colorizing a film, you are adding something to the film that wasn't part of it originally.
    The equivalent would be if during a remix you also overdubbed extra guitar parts or auto-tuned the vocals to sound more contemporary. You know for that "new generation of fans".
     
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  10. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    No old fans can appreciate as well.
     
  11. funkydude

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    Yeah, it's a bit like adding a new electric four-on-the-floor bass drum to Beatles classics to make them more danceable.
     
  12. Dayfold

    Dayfold Forum Resident

    I was talking to a lad in his early 20's about movies recently. He was heavily into old movies, was trying to see as many of the classics as he could find. I asked if he'd seen The Godfather yet and he said, "no, I'm not really interested in stuff that old." His idea of old was movies from the 1980's/90's. I found that quite amusing but could relate to it when I thought about what I was into at his age.

    It has surely always been true that young people are not generally that interested in very old media. When I was a teen/early twenty something in the '90s I would have been hard pressed to find anyone of my own age into music or movies from the 1940s/50's. Myself, I was heavily into stuff from the 60s'/70's but it wasn't until I was a bit older that I got interested in classics from an even earlier period.
     
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  14. Fab Four Revolution

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    Reminds me of how Spider-Man calls The Empire Strikes Back 'that really old movie' in 2016's Captain America: Civil War LOL.
     
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  15. Royce

    Royce Forum Resident

    Not really. It's more like adding digital reverb, compression, EQ, making a stereo mix where there wasn't one or making a mono mix where there wasn't one, ALL of which have been done to The Beatles music already.
     
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  16. Nems

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    "I Love Lucy", "Abbott and Costello", "Laurel and Hardy", old B&W movies, etc., etc., were always a daily part of television back then. I don't remember any of us kids even once having a hard time enjoying them.
     
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  17. Deek57

    Deek57 Forum Resident

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    NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, ABSOLUTLEY NOT.
     
  18. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Resident

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    What next? Is nothing sacred? Next you know they will be talking about adding sound to the movie.
     
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  19. Haristar

    Haristar Living in the Material World

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    This isn’t even because it’s a Beatles film. Films should be left as is.
     
  20. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing

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    Good points. As a graphic artist myself, I concur. Alteration of any work of art, by any but the creators themselves, is terribly insulting, and kind of a big no no.

    To illustrate even further (pun intended), it is like taking a Rembrandt or a Picasso, and saying this painting is too dark or drab. So the 'restorer' decides to add some color. Not.

    'A Hard Day's Night' is considered a classic in filmology, and is in every greatest film list. It is considered a groundbreaker in filming technique that has been emulated by filmmakers since and even today. Whether the newest generation of filmmakers knows it or not, they may likely be using many of the techniques that broke ground in 'A Hard Day's Night'.

    We of the Beatles generation are horrified by the suggestion.

    B&W photography & filming, even today, are considered high art. Light and shadow, contrast, composition....all enhanced through b&w film.

    Sorry kids.

    Black and white is beautiful.

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  21. Lemon Curry

    Lemon Curry (A) Face In The Crowd

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    This is not true at all.

    Shooting in black and white dictates a particular approach to composing the shots. The idea is to present a full range of dark to light in every scene. The "dynamic range" of the shot, you might say.

    Colorizing that produces a cartoon-like effect. There might be some nice "gee whiz" moments, but overall it will just look wrong. Miracle on 34th Street, It's A Wonderful Life... the essence of the composition is completely lost. George Bailey at the bar, praying for help... the essence of monochrome, rendered into fluff with color.

    Remixing audio is not innocent either, but at least the goal is to overcome technical deficiencies. There is no technical deficiency in monochrome - it is beautiful.
     
  22. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing

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    Sure. But we didn't say it was a debate about deciding to make an artistic achievement in B&W...at least I didn't. It is about artificially colorizing, making up the colors of objects, buildings, signs, people's clothes; altering what did actually become an artistic achievement in spite of the restrictions.

    Just because it was decided to make the film in b&w... by the studio (and not an artistic decision)... and that it was it filmed in b&w... due to budget & time restraints...
    doesn't make it any less of an artistic achievement... in B&W. That is what makes it more remarkable.


    I'd call it kismet. Color, in retrospect, would have ruined the whole mood and feeling of that uniquely 60's English atmosphere captured in 'A Hard Day's night'. The whole nostalgia feel is parly due to the b&w filming, partly due to the subject and the times. B&W. Kismet.

    Colorizing is just wrong-no matter. I am likely a B&W film purest snob, but I am glad that this debate is only that. :rant: A film debate wherein the possibility of colorizing will most assuredly never happen...thank god.

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  23. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing

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    Always the kidder, eh, alexpop? We needed a little lightening up.


    Cheers
    lk
     
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  24. lemonade kid

    lemonade kid Forever Changing

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    This is too beautiful. I'll never believe that the Civil War was fought in living color!

    :unhunh:
     
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  25. MGSeveral

    MGSeveral Forum Resident


    Why are they frantically running away when the road is clearly a dead-end behind them?
     

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